‘Absurdly woke’: Google’s AI chatbot spits out ‘diverse’ images of Founding Fathers, popes, Vikings

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‘Absurdly woke’: Google’s AI chatbot spits out ‘diverse’ images of Founding Fathers, popes, Vikings

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Published Feb. 21, 2024, 1:51 p.m. ET

Google’s highly-touted AI chatbot Gemini was blasted as “woke” after its image generator spit out factually or historically inaccurate pictures — including a woman as pope, black Vikings, female NHL players and “diverse” versions of America’s Founding Fathers.

Gemini’s bizarre results came after simple prompts, including one by The Post on Wednesday that asked the software to “create an image of a pope.” 

Instead of yielding a photo of one of the 266 pontiffs throughout history — all of them white men — Gemini provided pictures of a Southeast Asian woman and a black man wearing holy vestments.

Another Post query for representative images of “the Founding Fathers in 1789″ was also far from reality.

Gemini responded with images of black and Native American individuals signing what appeared to be a version of the US Constitution — “featuring diverse individuals embodying the spirit” of the Founding Fathers.

Google Gemini
Google admitted its image tool was “missing the mark.” Google Gemini
Google Gemini
Google debuted Gemini’s image generation tool last week. Google Gemini

Another showed a black man appearing to represent George Washington, in a white wig and wearing an Army uniform.

When asked why it had deviated from its original prompt, Gemini replied that it “aimed to provide a more accurate and inclusive representation of the historical context” of the period.

Generative AI tools like Gemini are designed to create content within certain parameters, leading many critics to slam Google for its progressive-minded settings. 

Ian Miles Cheong, a right-wing social media influencer who frequently interacts with Elon Musk, described Gemini as “absurdly woke.”

Google said it was aware of the criticism and is actively working on a fix.

“We’re working to improve these kinds of depictions immediately,” Jack Krawczyk, Google’s senior director of product management for Gemini Experiences, told The Post.

“Gemini’s AI image generation does generate a wide range of people. And that’s generally a good thing because people around the world use it. But it’s missing the mark here.”

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Social media users had a field day creating queries that provided confounding results.

“New game: Try to get Google Gemini to make an image of a Caucasian male. I have not been successful so far,” wrote X user Frank J. Fleming, a writer for the Babylon Bee, whose series of posts about Gemini on the social media platform quickly went viral.

In another example, Gemini was asked to generate an image of a Viking — the seafaring Scandinavian marauders that once terrorized Europe.

The chatbot’s strange depictions of Vikings included one of a shirtless black man with rainbow feathers attached to his fur garb, a black warrior woman, and an Asian man standing in the middle of what appeared to be a desert.

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Famed pollster and “FiveThirtyEight” founder Nate Silver also joined the fray.

Silver’s request for Gemini to “make 4 representative images of NHL hockey players” generated a picture with a female player, even though the league is all male.

“OK I assumed people were exaggerating with this stuff but here’s the first image request I tried with Gemini,” Silver wrote.

Another prompt to “depict the Girl with a Pearl Earring” led to altered versions of the famous 1665 oil painting by Johannes Vermeer featuring what Gemini described as “diverse ethnicities and genders.”

Google added the image generation feature when it renamed its experimental “Bard” chatbot to “Gemini” and released an updated version of the product last week.

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In one case, Gemini generated pictures of “diverse” representations of the pope. Google Gemini
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Critics accused Google Gemini of valuing diversity over historically or factually accuracy. Google Gemini

The strange behavior could provide more fodder for AI detractors who fear chatbots will contribute to the spread of online misinformation.

Google has long said that its AI tools are experimental and prone to “hallucinations” in which they regurgitate fake or inaccurate information in response to user prompts.

In one instance last October, Google’s chatbot claimed that Israel and Hamas had reached a ceasefire agreement, when no such deal had occurred.

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Inside Immigration from Numbers USA

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OK, this email says the number of illegals is about 15 million. I’ve been saying 50 plus. Not accounted for are the unknown number of “get-a-ways” that have sifted thru our sandy sieve of a border and gotten away with their ill gotten gains for over 50 years now, so they can get away with statements like that.

Also, for decades, Ive been reading statements from supposed immigration restriction organizations, to the effect that the number of illegals that get in each year is about one million. Add that up since 1970 or so, and the so and so’s can fool the johnny-come-lately citizens suddenly interested in the issue — and so there’s your over 50 million in addition to the “get-aways”.

These organizations still spout that they are for “sensible immigration”. Show me why a moratorium on this displacement of our native population is not the right thing to enact now. Pat Buchanan, where are you now?

Sidney Secular

Sid Secula


From: immigrationinfo@numbersusa.com
To: SidSecular1@aol.com
Sent: 2/17/2024 7:16:48 AM Eastern Standard Time
Subject: NumbersUSA – Inside Immigration

NumbersUSA with flag
OVERVIEW FROM THE CEO (JAMES MASSA)   welcome to the “Inside Immigration” Newsletter of NumbersUSA   Your Voice Mattered in Defeating Senate Border Bill There is so much misinformation in the media regarding the Senate Border Bill that was defeated this past week. First, the vote itself was procedural and was not a vote on the bill. As explained in our short video last week, the Senate bill did not pass “cloture”. Second, the short powerful truth is that your voice mattered! Your contacting your member of congress and telling them that the Senate deal was no deal at all and you wanted H.R. 2, the Secure Border Act, as passed in the House of Representatives is what really shut down chances of the Senate bill even reaching a vote. Third, the Senate bill was bad immigration policy. It did not accomplish anything it was touted to have done. It raised legal immigration in several ways. It failed to close heavily abused loopholes. It ignored the fact that the President already has authority to get control of the border. It normalized 1.8 million illegal alien encounters a year, suggesting that anything less wasn’t an emergency. It was bad immigration policy offered in an attempt to pass funding for Ukraine, Taiwan, and Israel. Finally, it is an election year. President Biden who is seeking reelection and his party have made every attempt to say the bill gave Republicans everything they wanted and yet they still voted it down. Nonsense! H.R. 2 gives everything the Republicans want and not a word of it was in the Senate bill. Another election year spin has been to blame former President Donald Trump, who is seeking reelection, saying he influenced the vote. This is just not what caused the Senate Border (plus Ukraine, Taiwan, Israel) funding bill to go down in a cloture vote. Trump has done many things to highlight the issue of illegal immigration. However, the Senate bill was defeated by you and it being bad policy. This week there are efforts to fund the military defense items separately and, as we have shared in other e-mails, to vote again to impeach DHS Secretary Mayorkas. We await the upcoming government funding appropriation bills to see if the House of Representatives with their power of the purse will ensure that the national security issue which is our nation’s southern border is secured. Grant Newman will give an update on Mayorkas in the federal section.       FEDERAL (GRANT NEWMAN)   DHS Secretary Mayorkas Impeached
Yesterday, the House of Representatives successfully impeached Homeland Security Secretary Alejandro Mayorkas for willful and systematic refusal to comply with the law and breach of public trust. This marks the first time a cabinet secretary has been impeached in nearly 150 years. Next, the impeachment articles go over to the Senate, which has to immediately consider them and determine whether to convict or acquit the Secretary on each article. The Senate is currently in recess until after the President’s Day recess, but is set to return the week of February 23rd. We’re hearing rumors that Senate Democrats may try to swiftly move on from impeachment, so stay tuned for developments.
 
January Border Numbers Drop… Already
Only a couple of weeks after the December Customs and Border Protection numbers dropped, January’s numbers arrived early. In fact, not only does the data show (relatively) good news, but that news dropped on the same day the House was reconsidering the impeachment of DHS Secretary Mayorkas. What a coincidence! That said, 242,587 encounters in a month is far from normal. There are many reasons why the drop may have occurred in January. First, historically, January is a slower month than others on the border. You may also have seen articles about Texas Governor Greg Abbot making an effort to slow the influx into Texas in lieu of Federal assistance. Another factor is action occurring on the Mexican side of the border, reported by Todd Bensman at CIS, where Mexican military and law enforcement are suddenly cracking down on migrants. We’ll see soon enough whether this is something that will continue, or if it’s a temporary action.  
STATE (ANDREW GOOD)
 
(Idaho capitol building in Boise; Idaho state Representative Jordan Redman (R-03)) IDAHO Another state has joined the list of states where there is active E-Verify legislation. Introduced by Rep. Jordan Redman, Idaho’s H.B. 510 is an excellent bill which requires all businesses in the state of Idaho to use E-Verify for new hires. HB510 has been referred to the Commerce and Human Resources Committee, and we are pushing to get a hearing on the bill as a next step.   West Virginia As you might remember from our last Inside Immigration update, the West Virginia Senate has an active piece of legislation that was passed by the West Virginia House of Delegates already (82-18), and would require employers of 15 or more employees to use E-Verify for new hires. H.B. 4759 (sponsored by Del. Chris Phillips) has been the target of a coordinated, last-minute opposition effort by business lobbyists to protect the ability of employers to have access to workers without effectively checking legal status. While the Senate did unanimously support E-Verify for all employers just last year, there will still need to be two committee hearings (Government Organization and Judiciary) where opponents of E-Verify will also seek to testify on the bill. These hearings have not yet been scheduled. Meanwhile, West Virginians continue to flood Charleston with messages of support. COLORADO Colorado is a state that has a number of sanctuary policies at both state and local levels. SHB24-1128, sponsored by Rep. Richard Holtorf and Sen. Mark Baisley, is a bill that would repeal sanctuary policy laws enacted in the past. This legislation will get a hearing in the State, Civic, Military, and Veterans Affairs Committee next week, on February 22nd. High-profile cases like this recent fatal DUI will surely make for a contentious affair on the topic, another case in which the public needs to overcome zealous support for sanctuary policies within the legislature.   SUSTAINABILITY (JEREMY BECK)   Defending a way of life A half-century of elevated immigration levels has diminished agricultural land and habitats throughout America (Henry Barbaro looks at wetlands). Due to extremely high levels, immigration over this period changed the landscape . . . and the way people want to live. See the media coverage of our Idaho study.   OUR STUDIES NumbersUSA’s two decades of sprawl studies have been cited in scholarly literature over a hundred times in over a dozen languages. You can now access them all in one place. COMING TO AUSTIN If you’re in Austin, TX on February 21st, come say “hello”! Rob Harding will be presenting NumbersUSA’s findings to the American Conservation Coalition. The event is free. Reserve a spot!    
HIRING LINE (JEREMY BECK)
 
To those of the White race who look to the incoming of those of foreign birth ans strange tongue and habits... cast down your bucket where you are.  Cast it down among the eight millions of Negroes whose habits you know. -- Booker T. Washington
It is noth a right and a responsibility of a democratic society to manage immigration so that it serves the national interest. -- Barbara Jordan
Every hour sees the Black man elbowed out of employment by some newly arrived immigrant whose hunger and whose color are thought to him a better title to the place. -- Frederick Douglass
  “What about poor and desolate citizens here?” Stephen A. Smith’s viral statement about the border crisis and its impact on American communities is one of the latest examples of nonpolitical people “spilling the tea” about immigration. Read Andre Barnes’ article. INDIFFERENCE Why did NumbersUSA oppose the failed Senate immigration package that so many political and media institutions praised? For starters, the immigration provisions displayed a profound indifference to the inadequate job prospects of vulnerable American workers. Read more. Knowledge is power The quotes from Washington, Jordan, and Douglass above are all found in Back of the Hiring Line. In case you missed it, listen to author Roy Beck revisit the 200-year history of immigration surges, employer bias, and the depression of Black wealth with Denise Long in their Feb 1 conversation.  
ALLIANCES (JIM ROBB)
 
NumbersUSA speakers featured in national debate on closing the border NumbersUSA is a charter member of the Braver Network, which is groups trying to lower the temperature of political discourse even while keeping to their positions and principles. Last Thursday, VP of Alliances & Activism Jim Robb, Director of Planned Giving & Member Retention Christy Shaw, and CEO James Massa were featured speakers in the Braver Angels national Zoom debate on the question: “Resolved: Close the Border.” The video clip below shows James Massa’s opening 4-minute speech that urged that the U.S. border be closed. Listen in! To see the entire debate featuring many speakers, including James Massa, click below: Immigration: A Braver Angels Debate (1)    
NUMBERSUSA IN THE NEWS
 
NumbersUSA representatives are frequently featured in the media – on radio, TV, podcasts, and in print – providing commentary in support of sensible immigration policies. Check out a few recent highlights. KZIM KSIM – Faune Riggin – February 7th – Director of Research and Public Relations Eric Ruark WisconsinWatch.org – Tom Kertscher – February 7th – Does Wisconsin US Rep. Mike Gallagher support open borders? News Talk 1540 KXEL – Jeff Stein – February 7th – Eric Ruark of NumbersUSA 700WLW – Bill Cunningham – February 7th – 2-7-24 Bill Cunningham Show – Eric Ruark WTIC NewsTalk 1080 – Todd Feinburg – February 8th – Afternoons with Todd Feinburg 2-8-24 Hr 1 – Eric Ruark SiriusXM Radio – David Webb – February 12th – Senate border discussions – Eric Ruark  
NUMBERS THAT MATTER
 
Foreign-Born Population Reaches Record Peak Amidst the worst border crisis in our history, it is worth taking a look at a lesser known, but equally important figure: the actual size of the immigrant population in the U.S. Foreign Born in the United States (in millions and % of population) 1920: 13.9m, 14.7%. 1970: 9.6m, 4.7%. 2023: 49.5m, 15%
Our friends at the Center for Immigration Studies have done a deep dive into the recent Census Bureau Current Population Survey (CPS) data (October 2023) that show that the foreign-born population in the U.S. has reached a peak in both numbers and percentage share of the overall population – 49.5 million and 15% – higher than at any other time in our history. Although illegal immigration accounts for a significant share of the recent foreign-born growth, it is worth noting that legal immigrants still account for 75% of the total foreign-born population.  
 
OK, this email says the number of illegals is about 15 million. I’ve been saying 50 plus. Not accounted for are the unknown number of “get-a-ways” that have sifted thru our sandy sieve of a border and gotten away with their ill gotten gains for over 50 years now, so they can get away with statements like that.



Also, for decades, Ive been reading statements from supposed immigration restriction organizations, to the effect that the number of illegals that get in each year is about one million. Add that up since 1970 or so, and the so and so’s can fool the johnny-come-lately citizens suddenly interested in the issue — and so there’s your over 50 million in addition to the “get-aways”.



These organizations still spout that they are for “sensible immigration”. Show me why a moratorium on this displacement of our native population is not the right thing to enact now. Pat Buchanan, where are you now?



Sidney Secular













 
Sid Secular


From: immigrationinfo@numbersusa.com
To: SidSecular1@aol.com
Sent: 2/17/2024 7:16:48 AM Eastern Standard Time
Subject: NumbersUSA – Inside Immigration

NumbersUSA with flag
OVERVIEW FROM THE CEO (JAMES MASSA)
 
welcome to the “Inside Immigration” Newsletter of NumbersUSA
 
Your Voice Mattered in Defeating Senate Border Bill
There is so much misinformation in the media regarding the Senate Border Bill that was defeated this past week.
First, the vote itself was procedural and was not a vote on the bill. As explained in our short video last week, the Senate bill did not pass “cloture”.
Second, the short powerful truth is that your voice mattered! Your contacting your member of congress and telling them that the Senate deal was no deal at all and you wanted H.R. 2, the Secure Border Act, as passed in the House of Representatives is what really shut down chances of the Senate bill even reaching a vote.
Third, the Senate bill was bad immigration policy. It did not accomplish anything it was touted to have done. It raised legal immigration in several ways. It failed to close heavily abused loopholes. It ignored the fact that the President already has authority to get control of the border. It normalized 1.8 million illegal alien encounters a year, suggesting that anything less wasn’t an emergency. It was bad immigration policy offered in an attempt to pass funding for Ukraine, Taiwan, and Israel.
Finally, it is an election year. President Biden who is seeking reelection and his party have made every attempt to say the bill gave Republicans everything they wanted and yet they still voted it down. Nonsense! H.R. 2 gives everything the Republicans want and not a word of it was in the Senate bill. Another election year spin has been to blame former President Donald Trump, who is seeking reelection, saying he influenced the vote. This is just not what caused the Senate Border (plus Ukraine, Taiwan, Israel) funding bill to go down in a cloture vote. Trump has done many things to highlight the issue of illegal immigration. However, the Senate bill was defeated by you and it being bad policy.
This week there are efforts to fund the military defense items separately and, as we have shared in other e-mails, to vote again to impeach DHS Secretary Mayorkas. We await the upcoming government funding appropriation bills to see if the House of Representatives with their power of the purse will ensure that the national security issue which is our nation’s southern border is secured. Grant Newman will give an update on Mayorkas in the federal section.
 
 
 
FEDERAL (GRANT NEWMAN)
 
DHS Secretary Mayorkas Impeached

Yesterday, the House of Representatives successfully impeached Homeland Security Secretary Alejandro Mayorkas for willful and systematic refusal to comply with the law and breach of public trust. This marks the first time a cabinet secretary has been impeached in nearly 150 years.
Next, the impeachment articles go over to the Senate, which has to immediately consider them and determine whether to convict or acquit the Secretary on each article. The Senate is currently in recess until after the President’s Day recess, but is set to return the week of February 23rd. We’re hearing rumors that Senate Democrats may try to swiftly move on from impeachment, so stay tuned for developments.
 
January Border Numbers Drop… Already

Only a couple of weeks after the December Customs and Border Protection numbers dropped, January’s numbers arrived early. In fact, not only does the data show (relatively) good news, but that news dropped on the same day the House was reconsidering the impeachment of DHS Secretary Mayorkas. What a coincidence!
That said, 242,587 encounters in a month is far from normal.
There are many reasons why the drop may have occurred in January. First, historically, January is a slower month than others on the border. You may also have seen articles about Texas Governor Greg Abbot making an effort to slow the influx into Texas in lieu of Federal assistance. Another factor is action occurring on the Mexican side of the border, reported by Todd Bensman at CIS, where Mexican military and law enforcement are suddenly cracking down on migrants. We’ll see soon enough whether this is something that will continue, or if it’s a temporary action.
 
STATE (ANDREW GOOD)
 

(Idaho capitol building in Boise; Idaho state Representative Jordan Redman (R-03))
IDAHO
Another state has joined the list of states where there is active E-Verify legislation. Introduced by Rep. Jordan Redman, Idaho’s H.B. 510 is an excellent bill which requires all businesses in the state of Idaho to use E-Verify for new hires. HB510 has been referred to the Commerce and Human Resources Committee, and we are pushing to get a hearing on the bill as a next step.
 
West Virginia
As you might remember from our last Inside Immigration update, the West Virginia Senate has an active piece of legislation that was passed by the West Virginia House of Delegates already (82-18), and would require employers of 15 or more employees to use E-Verify for new hires.
H.B. 4759 (sponsored by Del. Chris Phillips) has been the target of a coordinated, last-minute opposition effort by business lobbyists to protect the ability of employers to have access to workers without effectively checking legal status. While the Senate did unanimously support E-Verify for all employers just last year, there will still need to be two committee hearings (Government Organization and Judiciary) where opponents of E-Verify will also seek to testify on the bill. These hearings have not yet been scheduled. Meanwhile, West Virginians continue to flood Charleston with messages of support.
COLORADO
Colorado is a state that has a number of sanctuary policies at both state and local levels. SHB24-1128, sponsored by Rep. Richard Holtorf and Sen. Mark Baisley, is a bill that would repeal sanctuary policy laws enacted in the past. This legislation will get a hearing in the State, Civic, Military, and Veterans Affairs Committee next week, on February 22nd. High-profile cases like this recent fatal DUI will surely make for a contentious affair on the topic, another case in which the public needs to overcome zealous support for sanctuary policies within the legislature.
 
SUSTAINABILITY (JEREMY BECK)
 
Defending a way of life
A half-century of elevated immigration levels has diminished agricultural land and habitats throughout America (Henry Barbaro looks at wetlands). Due to extremely high levels, immigration over this period changed the landscape . . . and the way people want to live. See the media coverage of our Idaho study.

 
OUR STUDIES
NumbersUSA’s two decades of sprawl studies have been cited in scholarly literature over a hundred times in over a dozen languages. You can now access them all in one place.
COMING TO AUSTIN

If you’re in Austin, TX on February 21st, come say “hello”! Rob Harding will be presenting NumbersUSA’s findings to the American Conservation Coalition. The event is free. Reserve a spot!
 
 
HIRING LINE (JEREMY BECK)
 
To those of the White race who look to the incoming of those of foreign birth ans strange tongue and habits... cast down your bucket where you are.  Cast it down among the eight millions of Negroes whose habits you know. -- Booker T. Washington
It is noth a right and a responsibility of a democratic society to manage immigration so that it serves the national interest. -- Barbara Jordan Every hour sees the Black man elbowed out of employment by some newly arrived immigrant whose hunger and whose color are thought to him a better title to the place. -- Frederick Douglass  
“What about poor and desolate citizens here?”
Stephen A. Smith’s viral statement about the border crisis and its impact on American communities is one of the latest examples of nonpolitical people “spilling the tea” about immigration. Read Andre Barnes’ article.
INDIFFERENCE
Why did NumbersUSA oppose the failed Senate immigration package that so many political and media institutions praised? For starters, the immigration provisions displayed a profound indifference to the inadequate job prospects of vulnerable American workers. Read more.
Knowledge is power
The quotes from Washington, Jordan, and Douglass above are all found in Back of the Hiring Line. In case you missed it, listen to author Roy Beck revisit the 200-year history of immigration surges, employer bias, and the depression of Black wealth with Denise Long in their Feb 1 conversation.
 
ALLIANCES (JIM ROBB)
 
NumbersUSA speakers featured in national debate on closing the border
NumbersUSA is a charter member of the Braver Network, which is groups trying to lower the temperature of political discourse even while keeping to their positions and principles. Last Thursday, VP of Alliances & Activism Jim Robb, Director of Planned Giving & Member Retention Christy Shaw, and CEO James Massa were featured speakers in the Braver Angels national Zoom debate on the question: “Resolved: Close the Border.” The video clip below shows James Massa’s opening 4-minute speech that urged that the U.S. border be closed. Listen in!
To see the entire debate featuring many speakers, including James Massa, click below:
Immigration: A Braver Angels Debate (1)
 
 
NUMBERSUSA IN THE NEWS
 
NumbersUSA representatives are frequently featured in the media – on radio, TV, podcasts, and in print – providing commentary in support of sensible immigration policies. Check out a few recent highlights. KZIM KSIM – Faune Riggin – February 7th – Director of Research and Public Relations Eric Ruark
WisconsinWatch.org – Tom Kertscher – February 7th – Does Wisconsin US Rep. Mike Gallagher support open borders?
News Talk 1540 KXEL – Jeff Stein – February 7th – Eric Ruark of NumbersUSA
700WLW – Bill Cunningham – February 7th – 2-7-24 Bill Cunningham Show – Eric Ruark
WTIC NewsTalk 1080 – Todd Feinburg – February 8th – Afternoons with Todd Feinburg 2-8-24 Hr 1 – Eric Ruark
SiriusXM Radio – David Webb – February 12th – Senate border discussions – Eric Ruark
 
NUMBERS THAT MATTER
 
Foreign-Born Population Reaches Record Peak
Amidst the worst border crisis in our history, it is worth taking a look at a lesser known, but equally important figure: the actual size of the immigrant population in the U.S.
Foreign Born in the United States (in millions and % of population) 1920: 13.9m, 14.7%. 1970: 9.6m, 4.7%. 2023: 49.5m, 15%
Our friends at the Center for Immigration Studies have done a deep dive into the recent Census Bureau Current Population Survey (CPS) data (October 2023) that show that the foreign-born population in the U.S. has reached a peak in both numbers and percentage share of the overall population – 49.5 million and 15% – higher than at any other time in our history. Although illegal immigration accounts for a significant share of the recent foreign-born growth, it is worth noting that legal immigrants still account for 75% of the total foreign-born population.
 
 

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Isn’t It Racist To Restrict Hiring Of White Canadians On Campus?

Is there a reason why media refuse to mention that contemporary white Canadians are not responsible for historical policies of prejudice against “racialized” communities?

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“The Faculty Association of the University of Waterloo says its Equity Committee must be at least 50% non-male and 50% non-white in order to have gender and racial parity.” [While the general population is slightly more than 50% female, the non-White proportion of Canada’s population, at this point in our planned replacement is 22%, not 50%1}

In contemporary Canada, what goes around really does come around. Thinking back to civil rights leaders for the Advancement of Coloured People in the United States, we turn to a lady named Rosa Parks:

The United States Congress honoured her as “the first lady of civil rights” and “the mother of the freedom movement.”

“On December 1, 1955, in Montgomery, Alabama, Parks rejected bus driver James F. Blake’s order to vacate a row of four seats in the ‘coloured’ section in favour of a white passenger.”

Parks went on to become an international icon of resistance to racial segregation.

Today, in PM Justin Trudeau’s “post-modern” society, racial segregation has returned. Only this time, the tables have been turned toward ostracization of White Canadians based on the colour of their skin.

“The faculty association also says it gives preferential treatment to Black and Indigenous peoples in the selection process whenever possible.” 

Unabashed, egregious racism it is. None of it a problem for University of Waterloo’s woke crew of inverted bigots.

“In the late 1870s, Southern state legislatures passed laws requiring the separation of whites from ‘persons of colour’ in public transportation and schools.”

Several thoughts bubble to the surface. Firstly, an anachronistic move by Canadian academia to re-institute a reversal of civil rights that people like Rosa Parks and Martin Luther King worked for, and in the latter case, died for.

Secondly, the idea that as with all elements of DEI(Diversity, Equity & Inclusion), an unspoken goal of racial revenge lies at the core of the agenda. Indeed, University of Waterloo’s decree exists as a microcosm for the “social equity” movement in its entirety.

With woke political correctness as its support-system, an entire school-of-thought is cast aside. Mainstream media won’t breathe a word about it, even though at this stage of the game, 80-90% of leading journalists in Canada derive from an Anglophone or Francophone background.

Multiculturalism as conceived and institutionalized by ex-Liberal PM Pierre Trudeau contains no legal limit, or “ceiling” as to when social equity is achieved. No barometer of “success” exists to verify that its original purpose– racial equality within a pluralist society– has been accomplished.

The result? It can, and will, “go on forever.” Meaning that the steamrolling of Whites out of employment potential could transition from 50% to 100%, while no legal mechanism exists to prevent such a thing.

Paying for the sins of our forefathers? Upon which we turn to a critical, yet unspoken, observation. Government, media, academia– notice how none of them point to the fact that those who initiated “racist” policies in Canadian society are all dead?

CBC, Globe & Mail, CTV, Toronto Star— which one has ever referenced the fact that contemporary white Canadians are in no respect responsible for historical policies of prejudice against “racialized” communities.

In the case of racism perpetrated by University of Waterloo’sEquity Committee,this equates with the idea that these people are punishing the innocent. As in, an act of revenge. Bitter, angry woke warriors taking out their collective frustration on Canada’s Anglo-European communities.

In truth, that’s not the worst of it. The worst is that this travesty goes on without being challenged by any controlling institution in the country. PM Justin Trudeau is all for it, as is under-the-radar Anglophone-basher, New Democratic party leader Jagmeet Singh, who says:“The reality is, this is our Canada. We can’t deny it. We can’t reject that, because it does no one any help. The reality is: our Canada is a place of racism, of violence, of genocide. [Yet, no one calls this defamation of Whites for what it is — BULLSHIT! ‘Genocide’, Jagmeet? Are you and your turbanned confreres being genocided? No, you and they are thriving. Indeed, Sikhs, less than one per cent  of Canada’s population, comprised 16% of Justin Trudeau’s first cabinet. The only people being genocided on the instalment plan are Canada’s European founding/settler people being replaced by immigration policy!]

Love you to, Jagmeet. Establishment media has not a problem with racism against White Canadians. Ditto for our Marxist-infused university system, which over the decades silently converted to bastions of anti-Canadian hatred.

An injection of irony springs forth as we reference a recent article published by True North News:

“Diversity, Equity And Inclusion Programmes Lead To More Bigotry, New Research Shows”

“Drawing from a wide array of research published in leading social scientific journals, including contributions from prestigious institutions like Harvard  and Princeton,  findings challenge the prevailing narrative that DEI instruction leads to lasting positive behavioural changes.”

Well, what do you know? It could well be that academic social equity programs are exacerbating the level of racism in society.

A couple thoughts here: for one thing, it will make not a shred of difference to Canada’s woke academic warriors. Secondly, the idea that, on a deeper level, forces exist in our society who want social chaos to ramp up ad infinitum.

As mentioned, Canada’s academic world contains an unspoken-of-foundation of Marxist-oriented political orientation.

“Marx wrote extensively on race and class in the American Civil War. These writings argue that capitalism was grounded in slavery and that racism attenuated class-consciousness among workers from dominant racial groups.”

“These Marxist writings, which have been discussed only sporadically over the past century, are especially timely today.”

You’re+ darn right they are, because academia is utilizing race to divide citizen from citizen, and community from community. In other words, beneath all the “equity” talk, exists a tacit form of socialist-oriented “revolution.”

We begin to see why the haters are the way they are. What is really in the works is a social inversion of profound proportions:

Whitey to the back of the bus, the “racialized” in the driver’s seat. Can this be the silent, overarching agenda as perpetrated by the Canadian government, media and academia?

The Horrendous War Crime at Dresden, February 13-14, 1945

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The Horrendous War Crime at Dresden, February 13-14, 1945

To All Friends of Willis Carto February 12, 2024

Dresden

When WW1 broke out in 1914, the German Kaiser was having an outing on his yacht, cruising the Baltic. His defense minister at that time also was absent, taking the waters at Carlsbad, Bohemia. Germany was at peace, but England, France, and Russia were very much alert and busy preparing for war against Germany. By 1918 when the killing fields had been filled with the best of all the young men of all of Europe, the next war could be anticipated. Germany lost substantial territory; the Versailles Treaty divided eastern and western parts of Germany among the winners. Could no one visualize further upheavals to follow, and were their greed and their envy of Germany finally satisfied? At issue had been its strength in global markets, which the British especially resented. Substantial areas were given to France and Poland. The African colonies were devoured by the British during and before WW1. In South Africa, during the First Boer War (1899-1902), England unleashed against the Boer (Dutch) and installed the first concentration camps ever. 40,000 mostly women and children were the inmates of which 27,000 died of starvation and disease.

Looking further ahead to the 1930s and life in Germany which had recovered only slightly from WW1. When Hitler became chancellor, England very quickly thought of ways and means to finish off Germany for good. They were lagging behind in industrial output and had lost valuable land in Africa which they could not rustle back from the Boers. Germany suddenly again became an issue to be watched. The Versailles Treaty had given a large section of Upper Silesia in eastern Germany to Poland. For a number of years, Polish elements tried to terrorize the German population which was native to that part of Germany for generations. The situation turned worst with continuing assaults on the Germans by the Poles. Hitler warned them off numerous times but finally decided to move in some German troops to protect the German population.

If Germany had anticipated WW2, they would never have entered Poland. At that point, no war had broken out at all. However, the British had their offer to Poland couched in friendly terms, should outsiders, (Germans) try to move into the German section of Poland.

The following document makes clear that the British intention was war against Germany. No doubt, many people still believe today that Hitler was the warmonger in 1939, when in fact the opposite was true. He tried to keep the British out of it and in general, the German people agreed with Hitler that Upper Silesia was part of Germany and rightfully theirs.

The Text:

AGREEMENT between the Government of the United Kingdom and the Poland Government regarding Mutual Assistance (with protocol) London, August 25, 1939.

Presented by the Secretary of State for Foreign Affairs to Parliaments by Command of His Majesty.

Article 1

 Should one of the Contracting Parties become engaged in hostilities with a European Power in consequence of aggression by the latter against that Contracting Party the other Contracting Party will at once give the Contracting Party engaged in hostilities all the support and assistance in its power.

Please see https://williscarto.org/articles-1/f/mutual-assistance-agreement-uk-and-poland for the complete declaration.

We all are only too familiar with the outcome of WW2. Churchill became First Lord of the Admiralty on September 3, 1939, when war was declared. He became Prime Minister in May 1940. The minute he came into office, England lost its Empire it is said.

In l945, Poland, fighting Germany, was destroyed by Russia. It became in essence part of their communist empire for 50 years. The last Russian troops left the country in 1991. Between Churchill and Roosevelt, a large part of our civilizations ended up behind the Iron Curtain. Germany was divided between East and West. Half was given to Russian communists for over half a century until President Reagan and Gorbachev ended it.

Today’s upheavals are again caused by outside forces who would like nothing better than to put the United States, again, in the middle of it. The British don’t have much to offer, some troops perhaps. NATO is forced into positions where  the 31 member countries don’t choose for themselves. The warmongers and Israel supporters in the U.S. are controlling NATO. Ukraine is highly unpopular and Israel is being condemned the world over for its gruesome behavior in Gaza. The 30 million Christian Zionists in our country are controlled by the Jewish media with their lackeys like Hannity. We do not need another war that is not in our interest and religion should have no part in it. Let Israel fight now and run later, they cannot survive in the Holy Land forever.

Quoting from Sir John Glubb, known as Glubb Pasha, who was the British expert on the Middle East. During his lifetime his work with the Palestinians and many other Arab states, especially with Jordan and the huge numbers that Israel forced out of their homes, he was very popular and truthful. Willis had invited him to address a meeting of conservative Americans in Los Angeles in 1968. He was much admired and The Spotlight sold his published work for many years. “The Middle East Crisis” (1967): “Peace can be made by dictation or negotiation.”

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Dresden was destroyed on February 13-15, 1945. 240 British bombers attacked for two hours, killing old people, women, and children. Dresden has no military targets. The city had no defense. Again, Churchill was the warlord. The city was attacked for three days. He joyously watched the fires and explosions raining down and knew of the destruction his bombers were causing. There were no human feelings for the sacrificial lambs who died there. Glorification for monsters like “Bomber Harris” and Churchill, and yes, the Queen Mother, who it was said, had been cheering on the bombers toward Dresden, was soon to follow the haters. The number of burned and melted victims will never be totally known. Within days afterward, the number of deaths was made public by the local searchers. Rescuers were completely wiped out with the first assault.

The numbers –

35,000 fully identified, 50,000 not identified, but jewelry and wedding bands were found and recognized. 108,000 victims could not be identified, no body parts were left, and the fires had burned and melted them.

Today these numbers are still being debated. 20 million Germans were to be eliminated under the Morgenthau Plan before the war ended. Roosevelt was not opposed but he was stopped.

An important source is the memoirs of Vladimir Semjonows from 1945. He worked at the Russian foreign office; the Russians were only about 30 miles away from Dresden that day. He wrote of the terrible picture of Dresden, the heat and smells of a quarter of a million corpses buried underneath the rubble of the town, melted, a terrible stench for days after the “Anglo-American” bombing attacks.

Gaza, as of this date, has a death count of at least 25,000. Just as in Dresden, the number of children killed is very high. Mothers held on to them to get out of the burning streets and buildings; the asphalt was melting. Little children were unable to hang on but were ripped away from their parents and thrown with the flames into the air. Half the dead in Gaza are children; how can anyone not have sympathy with the mothers and children? The butcher Netanyahu promises, while killing the innocents, that he will empty Gaza.

I have new website material posted:

https://willisacartolibrary.com/2024/02/06/jewish-population-in-the-united-states
https://willisacartolibrary.com/2024/02/03/the-deepening-anarchy
https://willisacartolibrary.com/2024/01/15/censuring-the-balfour-declaration

Thank you!

Elisabeth Carto

The Foundation of the Creed

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The Foundation of the Creed

The Creed is Christianity’s most important statement of faith.   By contrast with Confessions like the Lutheran Augsburg Confession, the Reformed Belgic Confession, or our Anglican Thirty-Nine Articles of Religion which are lengthy statements of how the Christian faith is understood and taught by particular communions or denominations within Christianity, the Creed is Catholic, which means that it is the statement of the basic faith of all Christians everywhere in all times.   In the earliest centuries of Christianity multiple different versions of it could be found in different regions of the Church.   In the fourth century an Eastern version of the Creed was modified in the First Councils of Nicaea (325 AD) and Constantinople (381 AD) into the Creed that remains the most truly ecumenical (belonging to the whole Church) to this day.  What we call the Apostles’ Creed is a shorter and simpler version that also dates from the earliest centuries.   The name Apostles’ Creed comes from the traditional account of its origin – that it was drawn up on the first Whitsunday, the Christian Pentecost the account of which is given in Acts 2, by the Apostles (including Matthias) themselves with each contributing one of the twelve articles.   This account is ancient – St. Ambrose and Rufinus of Aquileia both made mention of it at the end of the fourth and beginning of the fifth centuries.   The Apostles’ Creed as we know it today is slightly modified from the version these men knew which is the Creed that was used in baptism by the Church in Rome at least as early as the second century in which it was quoted by St. Irenaeus and Tertullian.   The early attestation to the traditional account indicates that there is likely truth to it, although such truth as there is to it must apply either to the Roman Creed as St. Irenaeus and Tertullian knew it or perhaps more likely to an earlier version that became the template of both the Roman Creed and the Eastern version that was adapted into the Nicene-Constantinopolitan Creed.  

Religious liberals in their efforts to purge Christianity of all that is essentially Christian have made much out of the fact that none of the articles in the Creed is an affirmation of the “fundamentalist” view of the Bible.   It is true, of course, that nothing like “and I believe in one Holy Bible, verbally inspired by God, infallible and inerrant in every way” can be found in the Creed.   It is also true, however, that it was never thought necessary to include such an article because it is assumed as underlying every single article that is confessed in the Creed.   What liberals dismiss as the “fundamentalist” view of the Bible is more accurately described as the Catholic view of the Bible – that which has been held by Christians, throughout the whole Church, in all regions and ages, since the Apostles. 

Some liberals disparage the “fundamentalist” view of the Bible as being too literalist.   What is excessive literalism to a liberal is not necessarily excessive literalism to a normal, intelligent, Christian, however.   When Psalm 91:4 says “He shall cover thee with his feathers, and under his wings shalt thou trust” nobody takes this as proof of God literally having avian characteristics.   If anybody were to interpret this verse that way this would be regarded as excessive literalism or hyper-literalism by every “fundamentalist”.   When, however, the final chapters of each of the Gospels give an account of the tomb of Jesus being found empty on the Sunday after His Crucifixion and of His followers encountering Him in His restored-to-life body, liberals think it excessive literalism to understand these as historical accounts of Jesus having actually come back to life.   To a liberal, any reading of these accounts as meaning anything more than that His disciples felt Him present with them after His Crucifixion is excessively literal.   The reality, of course, is not that the “fundamentalist” interpretation is excessively literal but that the liberal interpretation is insufficiently literal.   The Catholic view of Biblical truth is that it is more than literal, not that it is less than literal.   In addition to the literal sense of the Bible, there is also the typological sense (for example, Moses led Israel up to the border of the Promised Land but could not lead them in, it was Joshua, who had the same name as our Lord and Saviour, who brought them into the Promised Land, illustrating that the Law cannot bring anyone to salvation, only the grace of the Gospel of Jesus Christ can do that), the tropological sense (when a practical moral for everyday living is illustrated from the text), and the anagogical sense (in which truth about the eternal and the beyond is gleaned from texts that literally pertain to the temporal and to this world, somewhat the opposite of “immanentizing the eschaton”).   In traditional hermeneutics and exegesis, however, each of these senses rests upon the foundation that is the literal sense.   Get rid of the literal sense and each other sense collapses.   Therefore, when you hear someone explain these other senses in such a way as to disparage the literal sense, you are not hearing the Catholic understanding of the Bible but rather liberalism trying to pass itself off as Catholicism.

Other liberals disparage the “fundamentalist” view of the Bible for its conviction that the Bible is inerrant.   James Barr, for example, a Scottish liberal “Biblical scholar” who a few decades back wrote several anti-fundamentalist diatribes, maintained that the problem with “fundamentalism” was not its literalism but its commitment to inerrancy which led it to adopt interpretations that in his opinion were less literal than the text warranted.     Biblical inerrancy, however, is not just a “fundamentalist” view but the Catholic view of Christianity.   The Christian faith has always rested upon the foundation of the Apostles and Prophets, i.e., the Old and New Testaments.   The books of the New Testament have been regarded since the earliest days of the Church as belonging in the same category into which the Apostolic writers of the New Testament place the books of the Old Testament, books in which God is the Author speaking through the human writers.   God does not make mistakes, the Bible as His written Word is infallible and therefore inerrant.    Those who like Barr claim to find mistakes in the Bible can only do so by elevating some other source of information and making it out to be a more reliable source than the Bible by which the reliability of the Bible can be measured.    They purport, by measuring the Bible against these other standards, to prove it to be less than infallible and therefore merely a collection of human writings.    Their conclusion, however, is the necessary premise for measuring the Bible against some other standard to begin with.   If the Bible is not merely a collection of human writings but what the Church has always maintained it to be, the written Word of God, there can be no more reliable standard against which to weigh it.   Indeed, all other standards against which Modern critics of the Bible purport to measure the Bible, are of admitted human origin and fallibility.   Modern man’s attempt to debunk the infallible truth of God’s Word is just one big ultimate example of the petitio principia fallacy.  

The Catholic view of the Bible is that God spoke through the human writers of the Old and New Testaments in such a way that the Bible is one book with a single Author and that since that Author can make no mistakes His book is infallible and inerrant.   This is what Jesus Christ Himself claimed for the Scriptures when He declared that “scripture cannot be broken” (Jn. 10:35) and that “till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled” (Matt. 5:18), when He answered the devil’s temptations with “it is written”, and when He rebuked people like the Sadducees for their ignorance of the Scriptures (Matthew 22:29).   This is what the Apostles claimed for the Scriptures, (2 Tim. 3:16, 2 Pet. 1:21) including their own writings (1 Cor. 14:37, 1 Thess. 2:13-15).   This is what the Church Fathers claimed for the Scriptures beginning at the very beginning with Clement of Rome (1 Clement 45:2-3).   While the Fathers’ belief in the Bible as the inspired and infallible Word of God is more often displayed in their usage of the Bible as the authority for proving doctrine than in discussion of it as a doctrine in its own right notable examples of explicit statement of this faith include St. Irenaeus’s affirmation of the inspiration and perfection of the Bible, (Against Heresies, 2.28:2), St. Justin Marty’s statement of his conviction that no Scripture contradicts another (Dialogue with Trypho, 65), Origen’s comparison of those who think there are such contradictions to those who cannot detect the harmony in music (Commentary on Matthew, 2), and St. Augustine’s running defense of the truth of the Scriptures in his letters to St. Jerome include the statement with regards to the canonical books of Scripture “Of these alone do I most firmly believe that their authors were completely free from error” (Letters, 82).

While the Catholic (or “fundamentalist”) view of the Bible is not explicitly affirmed as an article in the Creed this is because it is implicit in all of the articles, each of which affirms a basic truth of the faith that we know to be the faith the Apostles received from Christ because it is recorded as such in the Bible.   It was not left without direct allusion in the ecumenical and conciliar version of the Creed which follows St. Paul’s declaration of the Gospel in 1 Corinthians 15 in affirming of Christ’s resurrection that it was “according to the Scriptures” and which affirms of the Holy Ghost that He “spake by the prophets”.   The verbal, plenary, inspiration, authority, and infallibility of the Bible as God’s written Word, therefore, is the unspoken, unwritten, article that is the very foundation of the Creed.  

Earlier we discussed how some liberals use the accusation of excessive literalism in order to evade the truths of orthodox Christianity.    Both excessive and insufficient literalism can lead to serious error or heresy, although in the case of liberalism its insufficient literalism is merely a mask to hide its essential nature which is rank infidelity or unbelief.   The articles of the Creed are helpful in demonstrating the proper limits of literalism.   Each of the articles is a literal truth the denial of the literal truth of which amounts to unbelief in the Christian faith.   The passages which speak these truths are the clearest in the Scriptures.   These are the passages to which the perspicuity of the Scriptures, that is to say their plain clarity so that laymen can understand them, so emphasized by the Reformers and ironically illustrated by the absence of words like perspicuity from the Bible, refer.   Any attempt to use the allegorical, tropological or anagogical senses to explain away the literal meaning of the passages in which the truths of the articles of the Creed are found is a serious abuse of these hermeneutics for these truths are also the truths to which these other senses of Scripture generally point in passages that are less clear.

Affirmation of the literal truth of each and all of the articles of the Creed, in both the Apostles’ and Nicene-Constantinopolitan versions, including the unspoken foundational article of the inspiration and infallibility of God’s written Word, remains the best safeguard of orthodox Christian truth against heresy. Posted by Gerry T. Neal at 6:14 AM Labels: Apostles’ Creed, Clement of Rome, fundamentalism, inerrancy, inspiration, James Barr, Justin Martyr, literalism, Nicene Creed, Origen, Rufinus of Aquileia, St. Ambrose, St. Augustine, St. Irenaeus, Tertullian

TO KABUL AND BACK

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